A kins domain village as official church

[Anna Elisabeth Dronkers]

Hoi Gerton,

Ik heb je idee met belangstelling gelezen en ik kan er iets over zeggen. Door verschillende groepen in ons netwerk is in het verleden inderdaad al met kerkgenootschappen gewerkt om ruimte te scheppen, een vrijplaats om te leven, en om grond of wagenparken te beheren. Verschillende groepen zijn daar al mee bezig geweest, maar ze komen er niet echt ver mee. Wat in Portugal werkt, wil niet zeggen dat dat in Nederland ook werkt. Ze komen niet verder omdat ze niet echt ergens voor staan. Je kunt beter niet een trucje gebruiken binnen het systeem, maar wel met kennis van zaken naar voren komen waar de overheid niet van terug heeft. Bijvoorbeeld met kennis van mensenrechten en van het Verdrag van Genève, de Internationale Organisatie voor Volkenrecht IOV, het Gerechtshof der Mensen, en andere civilistenrechten die nu onbenut blijven bijvoorbeeld. http://www.iovpost.org/nl

Ik geef je wat informatie in handen waarmee je verder kan zoeken. Je kan meepraten en vragen stellen hierover bij de wekelijkse digitale bijeenkomsten van de Holland Assembly via http://www.hollandassembly.nl op dinsdagavond.

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Welkom bij het internationaal recht

[Michelle Maier]

Hey!

Haven’t kept up with the discussions here, apologies. But this is very close to a movement that our family is part of here in the U.S.A!

We have a network of free, sovereign families forming their own private ministries- which are legitimate legally but not registered or publicly incorporated- and basically live our entire lives out of our church/ministry foundation structure. It is much easier to be taken seriously by the municipalities or government officials when representing as a church. They have no pushback whatsoever. We do have very strong freedom of religion laws and privacy laws surrounding churches in the U.S.A, and it sounds like there might be similar laws across the pond.

All this information seems to be coming together in groups right now and supporting those of us who do want to live a more simple close-to-nature and spiritually aligned life.

Cheers!

[G]

Hi Michelle,

Thanks for your reply, and don’t need to feel sorry for a late reply, time is relative and you are not obligated to reply and if I made you feel that way i need to say sorry

Anyway, yes here in Europa its also possible. The only advantages of Europa, is that if it is valid in one country, this entity like a church is valid in all. And if i understand correctly similar in the USA in Europe has also a good protection of religion (her it change a bit per country). This Dutch guy I spoke, is building a village in Portugal, and does this on a church registered in Holland. Her in Europe Holland, Portugal and Croatia have similar protection by the church entity. But although his idea is good, its still a creation of a loophole and not a really a way of living. So although im not sure im the right person to set this up. I think its good to discus and research the possibilities of setting up this church which protects the way of living if we choose to live in the way written in the books.

Because the (international) laws are set up by the system to protect itself, so fighting the system on there own ground, is already lost before starting it. So a waste of our time. So I dont believe fighting the system will help in anyway at all. Creating an organisation protected by what is already protected by this same system. Is there a chance that the we grow to a size, they cant ignore and stop anymore and so we beat them by love instead of in a fighting mode.

So in this way, we can show this way of living by example and teach others the love of nature and people.

To give a small initial description of a church like this will be:

An Anastasia-inspired church is a living space that protects your domain, life, and values, making this strength and knowledge transferable to your children so they remain connected to the land, nature, and a sustainable way of life for generations.

Here the church can be setup for example for whole Europe, where we copy the way the existing churches do it. Where here every city had one or more churches with there own buildings and grounds paid by the community. Here you can do something similar for every village of domains. With the difference that the domain holders need to buy there own domain and get the protection of this system as starting point. (getting land for totally free, is a nice dream, but if money still exist maybe stays a dream for now) etc… etc…

The current system is good in dividing people and let people wasting time on fighting the system and all kind of little things, and so preventing people to create and connect with there hearts. And if the people join forces in this, and unit, we can really make things possible I think.

But anyway, its just a idea i like to see come true in any way or form!

Greetings Gerton

[John Trew]

I’ve been researching church structures for regenerative communities for about two years, and recently completed a three-part series exploring how these legal frameworks might protect kin domain settlements.

What you’re describing in Portugal aligns with what I’ve been tracking and writing about on Substack: the 508(c)(1)(a) designation in the US (and similar structures in other countries) creates legal protection for communities organized around spiritual principles – including relationship with land, ancestral connection, and living outside conventional economic systems.

The key insight isn’t just “use a church to avoid taxes.” It’s that these frameworks recognize spiritual authority as sovereign – which means communities can operate according to their own principles rather than state-defined categories.

A few observations from my research:

What actually works:

• Churches that don’t register with the state (508(c)(1)(a) in the US, similar structures elsewhere)
• Land held in perpetual trust by the spiritual body, not individuals
• Governance based on coherent spiritual principles, not bylaws mimicking corporate structures

What doesn’t work:

• Using church structures purely as tax avoidance (courts see through this immediately)
• Trying to retrofit spiritual language onto projects that are fundamentally real estate developments
• Starting with tokenization or complex financial instruments before community coherence exists

The RC movement specifically:

I only encountered the Ringing Cedars books about a month ago, but it became immediately clear that the kin domain vision is already spiritual in nature – it just hasn’t been articulated in legal language that protects it.

The vision Anastasia describes – family land held across generations, children born into continuity, ancestral memory embedded in place – this is not “alternative lifestyle.” It’s a cosmology with land practice. That means it can be legally protected as such.

I wrote about this in the third article of my series here: https://trewregenerative.substack.com/p/the-bridge?r=64wpo

But I want to be clear: the legal structure is secondary. The primary work is coherent community identity – knowing who you are together, what you’re protecting, and why it matters across generations.

If that exists, the legal protection becomes straightforward. If it doesn’t exist, no legal structure will save it.

I’d be interested in connecting with the Dutch group you mentioned to understand how they articulated their spiritual foundation and what’s actually working on the ground.

trewregenerative.substack.com

The Bridge

Part III of III: What becomes possible when we reinstate trust

[G]

Hi John,

This church is called Cobas (short of) Church of body and Soul.

He initially created this church, to be able to organize meetings/parties etc.. during the covid period, because they noticed that that churches were asked if they also wanted to close during the lock downs. Here the government was not allowed to close them. And this made them think. So now they found a way to protect them against forced mandates like lock-downs and injections etc.. And this idea growled and now they are setting up there first village, with i believe 20 houses. Where the ground is owned by the church and the house by the family who buys it. Its not like the ringing cederbooks, based on love and nature. But has similarities, like the enteral ownership/usership. everyhouse has there own garden, but joint restaurant, swimingpool etc.. And in protugal, they dont pay tax on the property and income of the church. Individuals do pay tax off course if they work externally. So like you write if its only to avoid tax, it will not work. But to protect your way of living, the domain, for you and your further family, i do think it will. And its even more spiritual then the church of this guy. And if manage to create together with others a village, the giving system between families will not be taxed, so kind of tax free living at the end anyway.

What they did wit this village. They bought 18hectare of land, and got the permits for building the houses on it, with all the things around it. They sell the properties for if im correct 50k euors and the government pays via a tourist development subsidy an other 50k euros, and if they want a bigger house then the standard version, they pay more offcourse. They get for this, the house, the ready made infrastructure and the amenities created in the village, so totally different then the kins-domain/ eco villages. This is roughly what they are doing, more details are on there site i suppose.

But when i heard of this and talked to him, i thought this is fitting perfectly with the eco-villages of with kins domains. And what he told, is that because of European laws, if its works in one country, it works in all countries of Europe. Where i still need to check this, because churches in Portugal has similar protection as in Holland.

But anyway, im open for discussion, opinions and ideas.

Greetings Gerton

[G]

Hoi bedankt voor je reactie.

Wat jij voorstelt via de VN, daar is het baskenvolk al eeuwen mee bezig, en zie ik echt als een afleiding waar de eu en ook nederland alle tegenwerking aan zou geven, op alle mogelijke fronten. Lijkt mij dat je beter je tijd in het creëren van je domein en je visie kan stoppen dan deze bodemloze weg te gaan bewandelen. Dit is namelijk precies waarop het huidige systeem op is gebouwd. Beter met het systeem er zoveel mogelijk buiten opperen en fungeren als voorbeeld voor de mensen die echt nog geen weet hebben dat ze in een slavensysteem leven. Zodra die mee zijn, is het gebeurd met de overheid, en kunnen de mensen weer in vrijheid leven en creëren zoals voor de vorige reset.

Maar wil je echt meegeven, dat ik hier een zelfde verhaal als het verhaal van de sovereinenbeweging zie, die zijn massaal in conflict, zijn daardoor constant in de vechtmodus. En staan overal in het systeem geregistreerd en worden in de gaten gehouden door de diensten van de overheid, om te voorkomen dat dit een algemeen goed wordt.

En misschien hebben andere al een kerk of iets dergelijks op proberen te zetten, maar is dit uit liefde voor de creatie die we gaan doen gedaan, of uit een vecht/haat modus tegen het systeem.. Waar ons huidige systeem ons iedere keer in probeert te druken. Of puur om belasting te ontduiken, want dit is iets waar als eerste naar gekeken wordt bij oprichting, dit wil het systeem natuurlijk voorkomen

Een gemeenschap en/of kerk waar een plek de liefde voor elkaar, vrijheid en de natuur basis zijn.

Ik zit al een tijdje dingen uit te zoeken, en ben er achter dat AI daar best een heel handige tool is. Deze geeft als voorbeeld, een kerk op te zetten waarbij vrijheid, liefde en de verbondenheid met de natuur de basis zijn.

Ik heb het wat dieper uitgezocht, maar een combi van een aantal juridische entiteiten zoals een kerk, een stichting kun je zoveel mogelijk inmening van de staat uitsluiten. Maar wel beginnen met het opzetten van de domeinen, zei het misschien eerst met tinyhouses of iets dergelijks, Maar AI kan hier best goede oplossingen voor aandragen, was ik achter gekomen, die kijkt verder dan alleen nl. (wel moet alles wat daaruitkomt dubbel gechecked worden.

Ik heb wel al een beetje een beeld van hoe en wat en kunnen de kerk van die nederlander natuurlijk wel compieren. En wat in nl geld geld in heel europa.

Maar sta open voor ideeen en misschien het met een groep op te akken vanuit deze site bijvoorbeeld.

Groetjes Gerton